Gay christians

[4ever4him]

what is your guys opinion on this?

[xXThreat of ForceXx]

My opinion... Gay "Christians" live in intentional sin and therefore throw grace and forgiveness in God's face.

They need to dust off a Bible.

[Mya09]

My personal opinion is it is their prerogative, and everyone sins. Although that may be true its still not right in Gods eyes.... it is a sin. But everyone to their own so w/e i usually dont get involved unless i feel the need to.

[iamhere4you]

Every sin is the same.
What people do not seem to understand is that we are forgiven for every sin we have committed, commit as we speak, and will commit.
Homosexuality, as anything bad, is a sin, and all sins are equal, with the exception of direct blasphemy to The Holy Spirit.
One of my friends was a lesbian for about 3 or 4 years. After she accepted Jesus, she dumped her girlfriend and got a boyfriend, which was shocking to EVERYone—proof that it is not a genetic.
We can only hope they step away from it, though...

[xXThreat of ForceXx]

I would tend to agree with everythng you've said, but I think I need t flesh out my view a bit more. When people live in a particular sinful lifestyle, such as sexual immorality, they abuse grace.

I believe God measures the heart in our life's walk with him, and I am fully aware that Christians sin as much as anyone else. To make my argument clearer, while in prison, The BTK killer genuinely repented, believed in Christs sacrifiice for him, and I believe was forgiven and is now enjoying the fullest relationship with his Maker in heaven.

Now if he had killed people until the day of his death, having always claimed Christ and his blood, never repenting or intending to change his lifestyle, I don't think things would have gone so well for him.

[iamhere4you]

I'm more half-and-half in my belief system in the realm of "are ALL sins forgiven, repented of or not?"
I don't know for sure.
My question one time was "If I am to die in a wreck, and if I say 'Oh, #^@%!' will I go to hell?"
I was then told that, with scriptural stuff, all sins are forgiven.
Also, threat, I agree with what you say with our walk with Him.
Umm, here's something for discussion, I guess: say someone is stuck in an addiction and there was no physical way that they could do it, even if they try to step away—Will they be damned? Or will they be Saved?
It is beyond logic, I believe.
One thing that the scripture doesn't clarify for me enough is this topic: must someone completely repent or are they saved no matter what as long as they keep Christ as their personal Lord and Savior?
So, I guess, If anyone has anything for that, it'd be nice.

[xXThreat of ForceXx]

here's my thoughts.

I personally don't believe an unbreakable addiction is possible, because I believe "with God, all things are possible.". His power can break any addiction.

But that would be irresponsible of me, no? XD it would be avoiding the question. Hypothetically speaking I'll answer it this way. God judges the heart. He knows if we've truly repented, he knows our motives etc. I believe anyone who has genuinely repented and seriously desires to break the addiction will be forgiven. God will judge that, not me.

The car wreck example: I think part of cussing and sin is based on personal conviction. For example, I think cussing at people is a sin, since it rejects Gods command to love each other as ourselves. However, I don't think a soldier on the field of battle is committing sin when he cusses exclammatorily: *bullet wizzes past* #### incoming! It's reaction meets adrenaline... Idk if that makes sense. Like if you're last words are "Jesus Christ that ###### is gonna hit us" I think that's a sin, idk what happens. I think it's not whether you sin in your last moment, but whether you trulypicked up your cross daily, denied yourself and followed Him throughout your christian life. If your last words are "oh ####" I think you're ok, except maybe saying "Lord help me" or call out a loved ones name would be more appropriate (and epic) lol

What's your side? LOL I've thought about this question alot, so I wanna know what others think.

[iamhere4you]

Yes, I know that anything is possible: I guess it was mere expression.
The heart is who we are, and we all have different stages—some higher than others.
Saying "Oh my God!" when something goes wrong, in agreement to what you said about language, isn't always saying the Lord's Name in vain:
In México, they commonly say "¡Aye Dios mio!" (Oh my God), but they, by culture, say it in the terms of, "Oh God, please help me", but it really takes more time to say, "¡Aye, Dios, por favor, ayudame!" So, one would probably say the three word phrase instead, by the terms specified.
By the paths you have lead and by the effort shave expressed in your walk with God seems to be what you believe, and, before you even said it, what I had come to believe as well.
But, why not just fully repent and not do anything? If only...

[jars of clay]

lol i love doing this.

First things first, We are not discussing swearing, we are discussing homosexuality. If you would like to bring this debate up I am sure the forum will be more than able to prove space for such debate .

now on to the fun and games. First off, I am neutral on the matter of homosexuality being genetic or choice, if i must side in this matter I would say that there is something to be said for the genetic argument, for we are all born into sin, but each of us have temptations we are more susceptible to (I am more susceptible to the temptation of pornography, but not so much gluttony). However this argument does not condone the action of homosexuality. One can be tempted to attracted to the same sex, but if you do not act on those temptations, I think that you are fine.

Also, off topic, Man does not choose God, man cannot choose God, therefore Man cannot choose to leave God. There is no such thing as losing ones salvation. Either you are saved, or you are not. the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is hearing the word of God which is manifested throughout all creation, not just the verbal or written message, and rejecting it.

[iamhere4you]

the cussing part was a part of the conversation that was an example, and not intended to create a whole other topic. =/
Yes, indeed. Your statement with action and temptation explains one thing that I also believe. If one does not act upon such temptations, they are sinless, or at least that is I would come to assume.
I never thought of Direct Blasphemy that way. But my belief still stays firm. I'm just not going to do it, and encourage others, Christian or not, to not do anything like that. Because what if they find Jesus? With the other assumption, that there is no way to do so, to lose your salvation, they'll be just fine. But—WHAT IF?

"First off, I am neutral on the matter of homosexuality being genetic or choice, if i must side in this matter I would say that there is something to be said for the genetic argument, for we are all born into sin, but each of us have temptations we are more susceptible to"
Agreed. Porn seems to call out to me, therefore lust, but I'm winning, and I have been for about a month now But, yes, there are many sins I am not susceptible to, such as gluttony and wrath.
Anyways, the tangent on swearing was just an example, like a subtopic
Jars of clay, very good points.

[4ever4him]

i like your guy's discussion except no offence david but we did get a little side tract with the discussion of swearing if u guys would like to discuss that u can make another thread for that.

i am not going to discuss my beliefs on this subject untill we get more imput from more members and from those who have already posted.... but i am liking what you guys are saying so far.and thanks randle for putting this chat back on track.

[iamhere4you]

Wow...I had no idea that my 'other topic' would upset so many people.
I apologize dearly, really.
It had/has a point to it, although none of you seemed to get it.

[4ever4him]

it did not upset anyone david lol just saying it was off topic lol and um im me i want to talk to you (yes i know im off topic too.)

[iamhere4you]

Alright, IM away.
But, really, it did have a point: consider a relevant tangent.

[4ever4him]

i see your point and u got to im me.... i cant find my myspace messanger thing

[vrosa]

well lets look at this again

lets see, sin, hmmm we all do it. but sometimes, society wants to judge those sins, rather then let God do that. So it really isn't a bad thing.

And lets try this also. I don't remember anything about love is a sin. Yeah, I will admit that it does say that sexual relations with another man is forbidden bu the love part really isn't. God made us but he didn't want us to be lonely. He made people so that they have someone else to go to. But sometimes God has different plans that we as his creation should not question or try to answer. and those who do are trying to make themselves into a Godly figure or an idol.

But we need to understand, there is nothing wrong with the person who is Gay and Christian. They aren't two separate lifestyles. And those who want to argue that, go to another forum not here. you think that being gay is wrong and a sin but it isn't. Those people don't have a choice but they do have the choice to follow God.

So one little thing is wrong with them Fine we can admit that. But so do the rest of us. Who are we to say that they can't love God because of who they are and what God made them to be. Thats like saying Christianity is for pure people. But sadly we all fall short of that line.

I would love to go more on this but i will wait for more replies on the topic at hand.
But i will say this: Gay Chritians are real and they can exisit, it is just society that wants them gone. And if you understand someone who is gay and a christian, you can tell they still have the same heart for God like you and me. People just don't understand them.

[iamhere4you]

By no means are there any forms derogatory thoughts or feelings emanating from my mind, body or soul towards these certain people, these certain 11%. (according to a statistics thing. It is, I am assuming, to be deemed somewhat inaccurate.)
According to the bible, and God, homosexuality—this not being of the realm of love, but rather orientation—is sexually immoral, therefore it is a sin.
However, take into consideration that every sin is equal, with the exception of one or two.
Love is not a sin, and this you have truly correct.
When we talk about homosexuals, in this context, we are not talking about the essence of love: we are discussing morality.
Everyone in this world is given a companion, yes this is true, however if it leads to corruption and taint, thoughts need to be reconsidered.
This is what I believe.
Before I get any hate mail, I shall close my argument, and post no more unless it is proven to be necessary.
Note: I do NOT, by any definition, hate, despise of, or judge the homosexual population. I am against homosexual marriage, however I do believe that they should have something of an equivalent nature.
"As I have not judged you, do not judge me. If you do, take note of your corruption, and end this disdain."

[all4christ1104]

to reawaken an old topic, I think its time for my two cents worth of information

If we look at all the Biblical evidence on homosexuality one might be under the impression that "God hates Fags!"
In all the references it clearly is talking about the sexual aspect of homosexuality, rather than the attraction to the same gender. Before I go any further, I want to clarify the book of Leviticus for you all. Levitical codes were written for the Israelies living in the heathen lands. Thus they are out dated and non applicable to us today. However, there are some good things that we as a society should follow. According to Levitical law, wearing clothing made of more than one fabric is an abomination, and we aren't debating whether or not to wear such things. Case in point.

I believe that whether you love someone that is the same gender or opposite gender, be you gay or straight, tall or short, fat or skinny, God loves you for who you are. There is not a single condition on His love for you. As with all decisions, whomever you date should be done carefully with prayer and (I'm going to say the f-word now) FASTING!

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