Gay christians

[4ever4him]

what is your guys opinion on this?

[xXThreat of ForceXx]

My opinion... Gay "Christians" live in intentional sin and therefore throw grace and forgiveness in God's face.

They need to dust off a Bible.

[Mya09]

My personal opinion is it is their prerogative, and everyone sins. Although that may be true its still not right in Gods eyes.... it is a sin. But everyone to their own so w/e i usually dont get involved unless i feel the need to.

[iamhere4you]

Every sin is the same.
What people do not seem to understand is that we are forgiven for every sin we have committed, commit as we speak, and will commit.
Homosexuality, as anything bad, is a sin, and all sins are equal, with the exception of direct blasphemy to The Holy Spirit.
One of my friends was a lesbian for about 3 or 4 years. After she accepted Jesus, she dumped her girlfriend and got a boyfriend, which was shocking to EVERYone—proof that it is not a genetic.
We can only hope they step away from it, though...

[xXThreat of ForceXx]

I would tend to agree with everythng you've said, but I think I need t flesh out my view a bit more. When people live in a particular sinful lifestyle, such as sexual immorality, they abuse grace.

I believe God measures the heart in our life's walk with him, and I am fully aware that Christians sin as much as anyone else. To make my argument clearer, while in prison, The BTK killer genuinely repented, believed in Christs sacrifiice for him, and I believe was forgiven and is now enjoying the fullest relationship with his Maker in heaven.

Now if he had killed people until the day of his death, having always claimed Christ and his blood, never repenting or intending to change his lifestyle, I don't think things would have gone so well for him.

[iamhere4you]

I'm more half-and-half in my belief system in the realm of "are ALL sins forgiven, repented of or not?"
I don't know for sure.
My question one time was "If I am to die in a wreck, and if I say 'Oh, #^@%!' will I go to hell?"
I was then told that, with scriptural stuff, all sins are forgiven.
Also, threat, I agree with what you say with our walk with Him.
Umm, here's something for discussion, I guess: say someone is stuck in an addiction and there was no physical way that they could do it, even if they try to step away—Will they be damned? Or will they be Saved?
It is beyond logic, I believe.
One thing that the scripture doesn't clarify for me enough is this topic: must someone completely repent or are they saved no matter what as long as they keep Christ as their personal Lord and Savior?
So, I guess, If anyone has anything for that, it'd be nice.

[xXThreat of ForceXx]

here's my thoughts.

I personally don't believe an unbreakable addiction is possible, because I believe "with God, all things are possible.". His power can break any addiction.

But that would be irresponsible of me, no? XD it would be avoiding the question. Hypothetically speaking I'll answer it this way. God judges the heart. He knows if we've truly repented, he knows our motives etc. I believe anyone who has genuinely repented and seriously desires to break the addiction will be forgiven. God will judge that, not me.

The car wreck example: I think part of cussing and sin is based on personal conviction. For example, I think cussing at people is a sin, since it rejects Gods command to love each other as ourselves. However, I don't think a soldier on the field of battle is committing sin when he cusses exclammatorily: *bullet wizzes past* #### incoming! It's reaction meets adrenaline... Idk if that makes sense. Like if you're last words are "Jesus Christ that ###### is gonna hit us" I think that's a sin, idk what happens. I think it's not whether you sin in your last moment, but whether you trulypicked up your cross daily, denied yourself and followed Him throughout your christian life. If your last words are "oh ####" I think you're ok, except maybe saying "Lord help me" or call out a loved ones name would be more appropriate (and epic) lol

What's your side? LOL I've thought about this question alot, so I wanna know what others think.

[iamhere4you]

Yes, I know that anything is possible: I guess it was mere expression.
The heart is who we are, and we all have different stages—some higher than others.
Saying "Oh my God!" when something goes wrong, in agreement to what you said about language, isn't always saying the Lord's Name in vain:
In México, they commonly say "¡Aye Dios mio!" (Oh my God), but they, by culture, say it in the terms of, "Oh God, please help me", but it really takes more time to say, "¡Aye, Dios, por favor, ayudame!" So, one would probably say the three word phrase instead, by the terms specified.
By the paths you have lead and by the effort shave expressed in your walk with God seems to be what you believe, and, before you even said it, what I had come to believe as well.
But, why not just fully repent and not do anything? If only...

[jars of clay]

lol i love doing this.

First things first, We are not discussing swearing, we are discussing homosexuality. If you would like to bring this debate up I am sure the forum will be more than able to prove space for such debate .

now on to the fun and games. First off, I am neutral on the matter of homosexuality being genetic or choice, if i must side in this matter I would say that there is something to be said for the genetic argument, for we are all born into sin, but each of us have temptations we are more susceptible to (I am more susceptible to the temptation of pornography, but not so much gluttony). However this argument does not condone the action of homosexuality. One can be tempted to attracted to the same sex, but if you do not act on those temptations, I think that you are fine.

Also, off topic, Man does not choose God, man cannot choose God, therefore Man cannot choose to leave God. There is no such thing as losing ones salvation. Either you are saved, or you are not. the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is hearing the word of God which is manifested throughout all creation, not just the verbal or written message, and rejecting it.

[iamhere4you]

the cussing part was a part of the conversation that was an example, and not intended to create a whole other topic. =/
Yes, indeed. Your statement with action and temptation explains one thing that I also believe. If one does not act upon such temptations, they are sinless, or at least that is I would come to assume.
I never thought of Direct Blasphemy that way. But my belief still stays firm. I'm just not going to do it, and encourage others, Christian or not, to not do anything like that. Because what if they find Jesus? With the other assumption, that there is no way to do so, to lose your salvation, they'll be just fine. But—WHAT IF?

"First off, I am neutral on the matter of homosexuality being genetic or choice, if i must side in this matter I would say that there is something to be said for the genetic argument, for we are all born into sin, but each of us have temptations we are more susceptible to"
Agreed. Porn seems to call out to me, therefore lust, but I'm winning, and I have been for about a month now But, yes, there are many sins I am not susceptible to, such as gluttony and wrath.
Anyways, the tangent on swearing was just an example, like a subtopic
Jars of clay, very good points.

[4ever4him]

i like your guy's discussion except no offence david but we did get a little side tract with the discussion of swearing if u guys would like to discuss that u can make another thread for that.

i am not going to discuss my beliefs on this subject untill we get more imput from more members and from those who have already posted.... but i am liking what you guys are saying so far.and thanks randle for putting this chat back on track.

[iamhere4you]

Wow...I had no idea that my 'other topic' would upset so many people.
I apologize dearly, really.
It had/has a point to it, although none of you seemed to get it.

[4ever4him]

it did not upset anyone david lol just saying it was off topic lol and um im me i want to talk to you (yes i know im off topic too.)

[iamhere4you]

Alright, IM away.
But, really, it did have a point: consider a relevant tangent.

[4ever4him]

i see your point and u got to im me.... i cant find my myspace messanger thing